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Yoda66 · May 24, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

Listen guys i am a level 20 Mo/W and am specialized in Swords. I hit the enemy basicly with a damage 28, if i also put mending and health enchantments in for my own character i can last long in close combat, put in a few smitting prayers and knock the enemy down.

There is no right or wrong its just the way you use the right skills for the right play type.

igormak · May 24, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56

no way for BRUTE FORCE versus your mirror.
you should cheat him, fool stupid ai.
i beat my n/me mirror @ lvl20 (think easiest task for mesmer), r/ele @ lvl17 and w/mo @ lvl16.
all i can recommend - BE CREATIVE, think before you make build. And dont try bruteforce.. he makes much more damage than you

Zilm · May 24, 2005, 01:50 PM // 13:50

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Originally Posted by OvertheHill

The "mirror" is hitting me for 65-80 damage with both a bow and ax when I average 15-20 with a top staff. That's not a minor little discrepancy. That 3 to 4 times the damage I do with a weapon + having the same spells.

I am Mo/E with only 5 points in Fire. All other points in Divine, Smite and Heal. I had 47 energy at the time. I carry a gold Holy Rod. Figured out the right combination in 15-20 minutes for my toon.

The mirror will use spells in the bar from left to right. Put the biggest energy drainers from left to right that do the least to help the Mirror and no damage to you. Walk in with the worst piece of crap weapon you can find, once the battle starts switch to your best weapon.

Now, with my build I loaded up with bs energy draining Ele spells. He used them, no energy for the Mirror and I got close and smited the crap out of him with only one spell and a bane signet. When he hits you he drains your energy.

I can,t tell you exactly how to do it as it is slightly different for each build.

Jana · May 24, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=14609

Jana

FrogDevourer · May 24, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17

OvertheHill, you are right. The mirror match can be a very frustrating experience. But quitting the game because of this would be a waste. Take your time, relax, experiment with skills/attributes and you can do it. Even primary monks can beat their mirror. It's a brick wall, but a wall you can smite to death.

Simply put, your mirror is stronger than you. He'll hit for more damage, and he'll outheal you. He has a better armor, and better attributes, and probably more HPs. If you pack 100% useless skills you'll lose the raw damage race, if you equip only healing you won't be able to scratch him, if you equip your best damage skills unwisely, you mirror will exploit them to their full extent and kick you back to the outpost.

However the AI can be tricked quite easily. Try to equip a few skills he'll use from the start and put them in the left slot of your skill bar. Find some skills with long casting time and fast recharge that your mirror won't benefit from. Waste his time and energy, and use yours efficiently. On the contrary, try to make your best skills unavailable to him, either by draining/wasting his energy before he can use them (for spellcasters) or by switching weapons (for warriors/rangers).

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 03:03 PM // 15:03

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Originally Posted by pHobac

Well its hard to give you advice about beating your mirror when you haven't told anyone what your secondary is. You dont need to be a warrior to beat your mirror, you dont even need to have attack skills. My roommate plays a pure healing monk/mes and he took his mirror in under an hour without taking a single direct damage skill.

You just have to know that your mirror will do more damage than you, no matter what class you are, and I know they do because I've seen it done with warriors and rangers, and the skills that you may have with an axe or bow, will only make their damage even higher.

The important thing to remember about your mirror is that their AI was written by a drunken chimpanzee, they are not bright. My roommate killed his by casting empathy over and over again and running around kiting while the mirror slowly died.

Every class has a number of ways to beat your mirror, and if you dont want to do it with monk skills, do it with your secondary skills. And if you dont have a secondary, then, umm..... I got nothing, that would just be stupid.

pHobac, first of all, I wanted to say you've been very nice to offer help privately. That was very cool of you. It was certainly night and day better than the standard "u suk loozer. i pwn u" comments from the d00dz.

What I needed to point out from your post on the forum is that this notion that the players would be defeating a "dumb" AI with their brain is false. Those that defeated the mirror image quest didn't defeat the AI with their thinking brain. It's all about twitch skills. I want to make clear that I am not calling those who did get through the mirror image quest brainless. I'm certain there are plenty of really brilliant players out there in the group that have gotten by it. However, intellect was not what was used to get through it. Punching a button precisely at the one second mark rather than the 0.95 second mark or the 1.05 second mark does not demonstrate intellectual superiority. It's all twitch skills. I'm sure that there's millions of people out there that have been honing their twitch skills for years/decades on console games that probably cruised through the mirror image quest with little difficulty. Well, the rest of us out here consider the fact that we haven't spent thousands of hours of our lives punching buttons with no human interaction to be a plus. MMORPGs are supposed to for the rest of us who have no intention of ever spending countless hours training twitch skills.

Sticking what even those who have been doing console gaming for years consider a difficult straight solo twitch skill test into such a critical central barrier just before Ascension in what is supposed to be a group game defies reason.

I'd have no problem if the mirror image test was a cool side quest that gave a cool looking reward that carried a lot of prestige. The people that are capable of doing the test get bragging rights, and the people that can't beat it, don't. However, the mirror image is the final, central test of Ascension. Giving solo twitch skills such a crucial central feature role in a game that is supposed to be about guilds and multi-player team play again defies reason.

Miles Militis · May 24, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

I understand this isn't the point, but if your having problems with your mirror.....Rush em.... Skip the cinematic, and bumrush em. Works everytime for me. Can usually get him down to about 40-50% HP before he even knows whats going on. Cake walk.

Of course your skill selection is going to play a part too.

Maegi · May 24, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44

Did you try what I said Over? I personally guarantee you will beat the mirror using the monk skills I said to use and that in no way is it a twitch skill thing timed to exact seconds. Its simply firing a wnd, using a bane signet, and healing yourself as needed. If you use the link I provided earlier you will not lose. Or maybe you prefer arguing and name calling vs a true solution to beating the mirror. It's up to you.

OvertheHill · May 24, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02

Well... I shot off my mouth, so if my word is going to be worth anything, I have to publically step up and take my lumps when I was wrong.

This whiney, no-talent, no-skill, not-one-ounce-of-twitch-skill-in-him old fart just beat the mirror image and ascended.

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My secondary is Mesmer. I only use a few points in Inspiration. I really one use one skill (channeling) regularly right now. I didn't use any mesmer skills as weapons, but they were very important.

I reduced all my mesmer skills and divine, boosted my smite, and used the Bane Signet and Healing Prayers as Jana suggested. I also noticed someone mention starting with a cheapie wand and swapping to a better one. That made me realize the AI checks the weapons that are ready on the Function keys.

So, I cleared out my Storage chest. Started with a water (cold damage) wand set on f3. Put a smite staff on F1 and my trusty holy (fire damage) wand on f2.

Set my skills as follows
1-Fraility
2-Mantra of Frost
3-Mantra of Flame
4-Guardian
5-nothing
6-nothing
7-Bane Signet
8-Healing Breeze

Started out getting hit hard by the initial bane shot and first couple of melee attacks. Got dropped to about half of my hit points. Then the mirror ran himself out of energy with the zeroed mesmer and protection spells. The mirror did use the mantra spells because of the threat of them being on my function keys. It was over in less than two minutes. I never even had to move from the starting point. It wasn't really even close.

So... I guess I'll shut up now.

jdwoody · May 24, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

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The "mirror" is hitting me for 65-80 damage with both a bow and ax when I average 15-20 with a top staff. That's not a minor little discrepancy. That 3 to 4 times the damage I do with a weapon + having the same spells.

Do you have any skills to turn this disparity into an advantage? Retribution will turn some of that damage against him. If you use reversal of fortune and a wimpy weapon he will heal you 40+ hps where you will only heal him for 4-5 hps.

You might need some new armor as well, when I fought my mirror he consistently hit me for 33 damage, I made sure reversal could heal me at least that much and it was a very straightforward fight and I had 100% health at the end...

RitchDavis · May 24, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07

There were some good comments here that I'll have to try. One thing that seems to be over looked is Refund Points. I have a Monk/Ele and I've been trying to beat my mirror for two days now. <sigh>. Now I'm out of Refund Point so I have to go farming until I can collect another 1500 - 2500 xp to re-adjust my skills. Not whining cause I'm sure I'll beat this thing, but, man, it's gonna take me weeks because I'm just a casual player.

My question is, how do you more full time gamers experiment with your builds with so few refund points available to you? For me, changing my build twice uses all my refund points.

Zakarum's Wrath · May 24, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

EASY WAY for MO/E to beat mirror!!!
(Healing monk, fire elementalist by the way)
Ok you use three and ONLY three skills:
1.Healing breeze: keep it on you AT ALL TIMES. this is your lifeline, it WILL keep you alive for a long time. Mirror will not use it!
2.Fireball: This spell is glitched. When i fought mirror it did a mere 9 or so damage when mirror hit me with it! THIS is YOUR damage spell. You should do 50+ damage PER CAST for best results.
3. Firestorm: DO NOT USE THIS SPELL AT ALL. This spell causes mirror to waste 15 energy and 3 seconds when he casts. Simply run out of the way when hes casting and you shouldnt even get hit once.

The process:
Apply healing breeze befor entering. Mirror should start shooting you with bow. This is ok! Start by casting fireball, then run around the arena. When healing breeze wears off, reapply. When fireball charges up, fire again! ONLY STOP moving to cast breeze or ball! THis makes mirror's bow inaccurate. Repeat the process until mirror dies!

zemelett · May 24, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by RitchDavis

There were some good comments here that I'll have to try. One thing that seems to be over looked is Refund Points. I have a Monk/Ele and I've been trying to beat my mirror for two days now. <sigh>. Now I'm out of Refund Point so I have to go farming until I can collect another 1500 - 2500 xp to re-adjust my skills. Not whining cause I'm sure I'll beat this thing, but, man, it's gonna take me weeks because I'm just a casual player.

My question is, how do you more full time gamers experiment with your builds with so few refund points available to you? For me, changing my build twice uses all my refund points.

BTW I notice that refund points are not on the same system as attribute points or skill points. Unless someone knows otherwise I have noticed that just by wandering around killing things, even things that give 0 xp, still add refund points to my character.

When I do a major rebuild, which as a monk primary I switch back and forth a lot, I just wander around for a few and then I have enough points to change back to a previous build.

Duality · May 24, 2005, 11:17 PM // 23:17

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Originally Posted by OvertheHill

They can't if they don't have the proper secondary profession, huh?

What part of the phrase "mirror image" do you not understand?

If someone has a warrior secondary, they are using warrior skills to used an axe. If they have ranger secondary, they are using ranger skills to use a bow.

NOBODY uses monk skills to use either a axe or a bow. NO MONK could ever use BOTH no matter what their secondary is. The mirror image uses both effectively. I try to use a sword or bow... I hit for the infamous "3."

A MIRROR IMAGE of my character would also hit for 3 with an axe or bow.

i understand "mirror image" enough to have managed to beat mine. apparently i'm not the one with difficulty understanding eh?

i've only been playing games for as long as i've been with kizayaen, so i doubt i have "twitch skills" either.

Khyron the Dark · May 24, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

LOL.... Um.... what's this mirror image fight I keep hearing about?? Is it only for Monks? Is it Pre-searing or Post-searing? Everytime I come to these Forums I learn something new.... you guys (and gals) are great, I have asked less questions in the game since I started reading the forums....

Acolyte · May 25, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

ok... heres the easiest way to kill your mirrior if you are part monk..
and heres a tip for all classes: you DO NOT need to fill out your entire skill bar, sometimes its better not to

for the monk, all you need is to up Divine Favor, and have Divine Boon in your skill bar...Divine Boon is an enchantment, which means teh Mirrior will only use it ONCE and never again.. but YOU can cast it multiple times, resulting in alot of healing for yourself, and you can just hit him with the wand/staff/w/e.. i used a staff that does like 11-20 dmg i think and i BARELY crossed the 50 sec mark.. took me lik 57 secs...

Khyron: the Mirror Image is a "quest" you have to do to ascend, after you finish the last Jungle mission (i cant remember the name of it) you head to the crystal desert, where you eventually get to Augury rock, you must do three missions to be able to attempt to "ascend" and then you go and fight your mirror image...

Razo The Red · May 25, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16

After a few tries I took him out with a pure support monk, at level 18 and crappy gear, with no problems. My spec at the time was something like 11 healing/9 prot/9 divine. I could only hit him for 5 with my wand, so it took around 6~ minutes to kill him. Skills I brought, in order of importance:

1. Healing Breeze - This is your main heal, he won't cast this at all.
2. Reversal of Fortune - Your second heal. He will cast this, but your melee damage is so crappy it isn't that big a deal. He also seems to gain no healing from divine favor, while you do. Still, he spams it, which is what mainly adds to the fight length.
3. Healing Hands - Your third heal, he will cast this on himself. However, you have the option to turn off attack while he does not.
4. Retribution - I don't think he cast this on himself, but it doubled my crappy dps even with 0 smite.
5. Life Attunement - Gimps his melee nicely, and the +heal does nothing for him. He cast this on himself; I didn't cast this at all.

PS: Acolyte???s plan in the post above seems much better.
EDIT: Couldn't remember if I used Reversal or not, but with a 6 min fight, I must have. ><

Xight · May 25, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45

I wonder if you can fill your bar up with useless enchants/spells with no uses. Like Balthasar's Spirit (what's the point of having mana when you can't use it), remove hex, vigorous spirit? (the enchantment that increases your max hp), mend condition etc etc.

My character is a Necromancer/Monk. Wonder if the mirror takes sacrifice damage etc. Would be funny to give it only sacrifice hp spells, and watch it kill itself from the costs. Does anyone know if this can be done? I guess I should go use the 'search feature'.

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I guess it could be done that way. Someone said dumb ai, and I guess it truely would be dumb if it uses all useless sacrifice skills.

Duality · May 25, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Xight

My character is a Necromancer/Monk. Wonder if the mirror takes sacrifice damage etc. Would be funny to give it only sacrifice hp spells, and watch it kill itself from the costs. Does anyone know if this can be done? I guess I should go use the 'search feature'.

it's been done. you might want to consider making it even easier to kill itself by also using scourge sacrifice. =)

Xight · May 25, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

People are probly thinking. Man... what was I thinking when they figured out the easy way around it.

May 24, 2005, 02:17 PM // 14:17	#25
FrogDevourer on a GW break until C4 Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In your shadow Guild: Servants of Fortuna	OvertheHill, you are right. The mirror match can be a very frustrating experience. But quitting the game because of this would be a waste. Take your time, relax, experiment with skills/attributes and you can do it. Even primary monks can beat their mirror. It's a brick wall, but a wall you can smite to death. Simply put, your mirror is stronger than you. He'll hit for more damage, and he'll outheal you. He has a better armor, and better attributes, and probably more HPs. If you pack 100% useless skills you'll lose the raw damage race, if you equip only healing you won't be able to scratch him, if you equip your best damage skills unwisely, you mirror will exploit them to their full extent and kick you back to the outpost. However the AI can be tricked quite easily. Try to equip a few skills he'll use from the start and put them in the left slot of your skill bar. Find some skills with long casting time and fast recharge that your mirror won't benefit from. Waste his time and energy, and use yours efficiently. On the contrary, try to make your best skills unavailable to him, either by draining/wasting his energy before he can use them (for spellcasters) or by switching weapons (for warriors/rangers). __________________

May 24, 2005, 08:02 PM // 20:02	#29
OvertheHill Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Well... I shot off my mouth, so if my word is going to be worth anything, I have to publically step up and take my lumps when I was wrong. This whiney, no-talent, no-skill, not-one-ounce-of-twitch-skill-in-him old fart just beat the mirror image and ascended. SPOILER ALERT - - - - - - - - - - - - My secondary is Mesmer. I only use a few points in Inspiration. I really one use one skill (channeling) regularly right now. I didn't use any mesmer skills as weapons, but they were very important. I reduced all my mesmer skills and divine, boosted my smite, and used the Bane Signet and Healing Prayers as Jana suggested. I also noticed someone mention starting with a cheapie wand and swapping to a better one. That made me realize the AI checks the weapons that are ready on the Function keys. So, I cleared out my Storage chest. Started with a water (cold damage) wand set on f3. Put a smite staff on F1 and my trusty holy (fire damage) wand on f2. Set my skills as follows 1-Fraility 2-Mantra of Frost 3-Mantra of Flame 4-Guardian 5-nothing 6-nothing 7-Bane Signet 8-Healing Breeze Started out getting hit hard by the initial bane shot and first couple of melee attacks. Got dropped to about half of my hit points. Then the mirror ran himself out of energy with the zeroed mesmer and protection spells. The mirror did use the mantra spells because of the threat of them being on my function keys. It was over in less than two minutes. I never even had to move from the starting point. It wasn't really even close. So... I guess I'll shut up now. Last edited by OvertheHill; May 24, 2005 at 08:08 PM // 20:08..

May 25, 2005, 12:16 AM // 00:16	#37
Razo The Red Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	After a few tries I took him out with a pure support monk, at level 18 and crappy gear, with no problems. My spec at the time was something like 11 healing/9 prot/9 divine. I could only hit him for 5 with my wand, so it took around 6~ minutes to kill him. Skills I brought, in order of importance: 1. Healing Breeze - This is your main heal, he won't cast this at all. 2. Reversal of Fortune - Your second heal. He will cast this, but your melee damage is so crappy it isn't that big a deal. He also seems to gain no healing from divine favor, while you do. Still, he spams it, which is what mainly adds to the fight length. 3. Healing Hands - Your third heal, he will cast this on himself. However, you have the option to turn off attack while he does not. 4. Retribution - I don't think he cast this on himself, but it doubled my crappy dps even with 0 smite. 5. Life Attunement - Gimps his melee nicely, and the +heal does nothing for him. He cast this on himself; I didn't cast this at all. PS: Acolyte???s plan in the post above seems much better. EDIT: Couldn't remember if I used Reversal or not, but with a 6 min fight, I must have. >< Last edited by Razo The Red; May 25, 2005 at 12:22 AM // 00:22..

May 25, 2005, 01:45 AM // 01:45	#38
Xight Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maui, Hi Guild: Legio Noctis Profession: N/Mo	I wonder if you can fill your bar up with useless enchants/spells with no uses. Like Balthasar's Spirit (what's the point of having mana when you can't use it), remove hex, vigorous spirit? (the enchantment that increases your max hp), mend condition etc etc. My character is a Necromancer/Monk. Wonder if the mirror takes sacrifice damage etc. Would be funny to give it only sacrifice hp spells, and watch it kill itself from the costs. Does anyone know if this can be done? I guess I should go use the 'search feature'. -EDIT- I guess it could be done that way. Someone said dumb ai, and I guess it truely would be dumb if it uses all useless sacrifice skills. Last edited by Xight; May 25, 2005 at 02:07 AM // 02:07..

May 24, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08	#21
Yoda66 Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	Listen guys i am a level 20 Mo/W and am specialized in Swords. I hit the enemy basicly with a damage 28, if i also put mending and health enchantments in for my own character i can last long in close combat, put in a few smitting prayers and knock the enemy down. There is no right or wrong its just the way you use the right skills for the right play type.

May 24, 2005, 09:56 AM // 09:56	#22
igormak Academy Page Join Date: May 2005 Location: Latvia moved to London Guild: LOKI Profession: N/E	no way for BRUTE FORCE versus your mirror. you should cheat him, fool stupid ai. i beat my n/me mirror @ lvl20 (think easiest task for mesmer), r/ele @ lvl17 and w/mo @ lvl16. all i can recommend - BE CREATIVE, think before you make build. And dont try bruteforce.. he makes much more damage than you

May 24, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04	#24
Jana Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Knights of the Silver Flame Profession: Mo/Me	http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=14609 Jana

May 24, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07	#27
Miles Militis Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005	I understand this isn't the point, but if your having problems with your mirror.....Rush em.... Skip the cinematic, and bumrush em. Works everytime for me. Can usually get him down to about 40-50% HP before he even knows whats going on. Cake walk. Of course your skill selection is going to play a part too.

May 24, 2005, 06:44 PM // 18:44	#28
Maegi Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Guild: Game Dog Radio	Did you try what I said Over? I personally guarantee you will beat the mirror using the monk skills I said to use and that in no way is it a twitch skill thing timed to exact seconds. Its simply firing a wnd, using a bane signet, and healing yourself as needed. If you use the link I provided earlier you will not lose. Or maybe you prefer arguing and name calling vs a true solution to beating the mirror. It's up to you.

May 24, 2005, 10:07 PM // 22:07	#31
RitchDavis Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: Feb 2005	There were some good comments here that I'll have to try. One thing that seems to be over looked is Refund Points. I have a Monk/Ele and I've been trying to beat my mirror for two days now. <sigh>. Now I'm out of Refund Point so I have to go farming until I can collect another 1500 - 2500 xp to re-adjust my skills. Not whining cause I'm sure I'll beat this thing, but, man, it's gonna take me weeks because I'm just a casual player. My question is, how do you more full time gamers experiment with your builds with so few refund points available to you? For me, changing my build twice uses all my refund points.

May 24, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08	#32
Zakarum's Wrath Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Profession: N/E	EASY WAY for MO/E to beat mirror!!! (Healing monk, fire elementalist by the way) Ok you use three and ONLY three skills: 1.Healing breeze: keep it on you AT ALL TIMES. this is your lifeline, it WILL keep you alive for a long time. Mirror will not use it! 2.Fireball: This spell is glitched. When i fought mirror it did a mere 9 or so damage when mirror hit me with it! THIS is YOUR damage spell. You should do 50+ damage PER CAST for best results. 3. Firestorm: DO NOT USE THIS SPELL AT ALL. This spell causes mirror to waste 15 energy and 3 seconds when he casts. Simply run out of the way when hes casting and you shouldnt even get hit once. The process: Apply healing breeze befor entering. Mirror should start shooting you with bow. This is ok! Start by casting fireball, then run around the arena. When healing breeze wears off, reapply. When fireball charges up, fire again! ONLY STOP moving to cast breeze or ball! THis makes mirror's bow inaccurate. Repeat the process until mirror dies!

May 24, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35	#35
Khyron the Dark Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Texas Guild: Nation of armed Heroes Profession: R/E	LOL.... Um.... what's this mirror image fight I keep hearing about?? Is it only for Monks? Is it Pre-searing or Post-searing? Everytime I come to these Forums I learn something new.... you guys (and gals) are great, I have asked less questions in the game since I started reading the forums....

May 25, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08	#36
Acolyte Pre-Searing Cadet Join Date: May 2005	ok... heres the easiest way to kill your mirrior if you are part monk.. and heres a tip for all classes: you DO NOT need to fill out your entire skill bar, sometimes its better not to for the monk, all you need is to up Divine Favor, and have Divine Boon in your skill bar...Divine Boon is an enchantment, which means teh Mirrior will only use it ONCE and never again.. but YOU can cast it multiple times, resulting in alot of healing for yourself, and you can just hit him with the wand/staff/w/e.. i used a staff that does like 11-20 dmg i think and i BARELY crossed the 50 sec mark.. took me lik 57 secs... Khyron: the Mirror Image is a "quest" you have to do to ascend, after you finish the last Jungle mission (i cant remember the name of it) you head to the crystal desert, where you eventually get to Augury rock, you must do three missions to be able to attempt to "ascend" and then you go and fight your mirror image...

May 25, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09	#40
Xight Ascalonian Squire Join Date: May 2005 Location: Maui, Hi Guild: Legio Noctis Profession: N/Mo	People are probly thinking. Man... what was I thinking when they figured out the easy way around it.